Thursday, March 3, 2011

We're sort of potty training our 11 week old

Yes, you read that right.

Yes, we might be changing the title of this blog to “That Crazy Married Couple.”

When I first heard about Elimination Communication (EC, also known as Infant Potty Training and Natural Infant Hygiene), I didn't know what to think, and really didn't think that much about it. I knew basically nothing about regular potty training as it was. But after I saw it mentioned a few places, I was intrigued enough to look into it.

The basic premise seemed quite logical. It made sense to me that a child would be confused if their whole life they’ve been taught that it’s okay to go to the bathroom in their pants, and then suddenly they’re told it’s wrong and not to do it anymore. It also made sense that a baby inherently wouldn’t like being wet, since I myself would rather not sit in my own poop for hours at a time (although I do think this varies by child). Conventional potty training could take a long time because children had lost their awareness of when they went – they’d been essentially desensitized to when they go to the bathroom after living 24/7 in diapers. I believed that it was possible for babies to realize when they were going, and even signal it. So really all it took was getting in tune with your child and then just holding them over the toilet whenever they had to go. Simple, right? After all, if babies in other parts of the world went without diapers and their mothers weren’t constantly soaked in pee, why couldn’t ours?


Yeah, it sounded good on paper. However, I was more wary of my own ability to actually do something like this. I had much more faith in my baby than in myself! So I sort of wrote it off.

But one day, just to see his reaction, I mentioned EC to my husband. He thought it sounded cool and worth a shot, and before I knew it, we were planning to try it! Somehow my husband gets more on board at first with my crazy ideas than I do. He was initially more gung-ho than I about cloth diapers, natural childbirth, and now elimination communication as well! I worry about what other people think much more than he does. So as you might imagine I was a bit nervous when he brought it up in front of my mother while she was here visiting.

Now, my mother is good. She is the queen of not judging her children in whatever harebrained schemes they come up with, in gently trying to dissuade them if need be while still somehow supporting them. She would never make fun of them. This is something I’ve always known and loved about my mom.

When my husband brought up EC and we told her it was basically infant potty training, she laughed out loud. Hard. My sensitive mother thought it was hilarious. I really think she thought we might be joking. Of course, my mom later apologized profusely when she realized we weren't and felt really bad about her reaction. I wasn’t offended, though. It just helped me to realize that what we were considering was more than a bit out there!

And since it was so uncommon, that meant I had something new to research the heck out of! I read two books about EC, and am still waiting for my library to deliver a third. Diaper Free! The Gentle Wisdom of Natural Infant Hygiene by Ingrid Bauer was very interesting. She’s a bit of a hippy (i.e. I don’t necessarily agree with everything she might say or promote, but those weren’t about the practice of EC itself), but her book was nice and thorough. At first I worried that her claims were completely unsubstantiated, because she just seemed to be criticizing other studies but not supporting her own, but she eventually devoted a whole chapter to this. Of the two books I read, this had better detail on the practice, principles, and history of EC. However, it would be a better read for someone who’s an Attachment Parenting-embracing SAHM, or else the reader might be turned off by her promotion of all that.

The other book I read was The Diaper Free Baby by Christine Gross-Loh. This is very much a feel good, anyone can do it in any way approach. She talks about ECing full-time, part-time, and occasionally, stressing that these are fairly fluid labels and everyone will move between them at some point. This is more of a practical (and reasonable) how-to guide, walking you through each stage your child will move through. While there’s not really any background, there are tons of quotes from other ECing parents, which is interesting. Overall this would be the better book to read for someone who is curious but noncommittal, and who knows they definitely wouldn’t be ECing full-time.


More on the philosophy of EC
Anything you read about EC will stress that it is about communication, and not about early toilet independence. I think they have to hit you over the head with this multiple times before you can accept it. Because of course we all want a magic trick to have baby be potty trained by the time they can walk! But this is really all about being in tune with your baby and responding to her needs, as opposed to having the youngest potty-trained baby on the block.

That said, early toilet independence is often a nice bonus!

One way that EC is different from conventional potty training is that it centers on relaxing the sphincter muscles, instead of retaining them. So instead of trying to train the child to hold it until they get to the bathroom, you’re teaching them to release it when they’re already in an appropriate spot.

According to Bauer, there are 4 “tools” of EC: timing, intuition, baby’s signals, and parents’ cues. Supposedly you eventually use all of them, but I’m not sure how that’ll go with us! I totally don’t trust my own intuition on this, nor do I think I’ll be able to easily perceive Miriam’s cues (although I assume my husband will be able to, as he’s much more observant). While we’ve been using our cue words for a while now, we’re not to a point where Miriam will go pee just because we say to! So that basically leaves timing – figuring out baby’s common patterns and times for peeing. And luckily that is the one area I feel fairly confident in pursuing.


Here we go!
On Tuesday, we jumped in with both feet! Miriam went without a diaper all day so I could start to discern her patterns. I’m going to wait to describe our personal experiences here until we’ve tried it for a few weeks, but after just two days I have to say – I am shocked at how well it’s going! Still, I’m making sure to keep a relaxed attitude about this little experiment. There’s nothing riding on it for us. If she's potty trained early, that'll be great; but if we still end up needing to conventionally potty train her, that's fine, too.

But I've got to be honest - so far, it's actually fun!


Have you or anyone you know tried EC? Heck, have you even heard of it? Do you have any questions about it? Obviously I'm still a complete rookie, but I can try to answer them down the road!

16 comments:

  1. oh i can't wait until my friend jane reads this post - she loves EC and is on my all the time to try it!

    basically, i'm just too lazy :-p

    i will say tho, that not caring about sitting in your own mess depends on the kid. my first would have HAPPILY sat in pee and poop for weeks rather than have his diaper changed. in fact, finally, at 2.75 years we started potty training because he STILL hated being changed.

    my younger son now, isn't excited about sitting in poop but doesn't think its the devil's tool either. he will usually fuss when he's pooped, but nothing crazy like some babies i know!

    keep us informed! i can't wait to hear how it goes!! also, did you get a little tiny baby bjorn potty?:)

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  2. a friend of mine did this and her daughter has peed on the potty since she was 5 months old. She'd take her out with a diaper on, but very rarely would her daughter pee in the diaper. She's 18 months now and fully potty trained. It took a year to get to this point, and it's a looooooong process, but there are many fewer diapers :) If we hadn't been dealing with colic, I think I may have given it a shot. Not sure if I'll do it with future children unless Sam is in school...

    Good luck! I eager to hear your story.

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  3. I've heard of it, thought about it a handful of times, discarded it as too hard (!) and decided it's not for us. But I am THRILLED that you are giving it a shot so I can hear all the details! Go Miriam!

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  4. I have heard of it...with our schedules, just not feasible and potty training hasn't ever taken us too long as it is (and we start around 2 years old). But, the idea of fewer diapers sounds cool. The rest...not my cup of tea. Can't wait to read how it goes with Miriam!

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  5. Hahaha... you are a brave woman! Since I've been changing Joe's diapers much more frequently lately (due to his diaper rash) I know his cues to when he is going to go pee. He straightens his legs, tucks in his chin and grins at me. Then it shoots like 7 feet in the air. Be thankful you have a girl! :-) Can't wait to hear how it goes!!!

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  6. Wow, good for you! I admit, I don't know a ton about EC...but the main part that concerns me is the ability to recognize my baby's cues. I have never noticed any correlation in his behavior and his "bathroom habits" (though maybe that's just because I wasn't looking for it?). I'm definitely interested to hear how it goes for you!

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  7. Oh, I can't wait to hear how this goes. Please be regular @ recording the process. I thought @ trying this early-on but I frankly was intimidated by the trying-to-learn-the-kid's signals thing, and now with three, it just seems impossible (though I know it can't be impossible). I'm a huge believer in early toilet training, even if it takes a long time. I think it's ridiculous for kids to be wearing diapers as late as they do these days; we start putting them on the toilet around 14 months to get them used to the idea. My perspective's been thrown off by Julianna, who celebrated her 4th birthday by going into underwear, but Nicholas is just shy of 2 and he's doing really well, actually.

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  8. Mark's cousin and his wife are doing this with their fifth baby, and they love it. We talked about it a bit, but weren't really planning on it (and obviously now it's definitely not an option). I wonder what the nurses would think if we told them to stop using diapers? ;)

    (Ironically, I just took a break from writing this to change T's diaper.)

    The one thing that I've always thought was silly about the EC thing is the whole "third world country where people don't use diapers" argument. In Tanzania it's true that people don't use diapers with their babies, but that doesn't mean that their babies don't pee all the time. I've been peed on so many times by babies...if a baby is wrapped up in a kanga on a woman's back, and the baby pees, then they just wash the kanga. I don't think the babies actually pee less often or are more likely to pee in a particular place, people are just less worried about getting their clothes dirty :) And if your floor is dirt or tile, it's easier to clean up.

    But I'm definitely interested to hear how the whole EC thing goes!

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  9. How exciting! I've been thinking about doing this, but get too intimidated by the logistics--what do I do with his clothes so they don't get dirty, how do I position him so it goes into the potty (I feel like boys could go in two directions!), how do i haul my lazy bum out of bed in time to get to the potty? ;) Maybe I'll look into the books you mentioned, give me some confidence. Looking forward to hearing more about your attempts!

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  10. I have a question.
    How do you go anywhere? I mean, do you use diapers while you're out of the house? It just seems like it would basically make you a prisoner in your home, because who knows if you'll be near a bathroom when she has to go? Do the books address this at all?

    You're very brave for trying it!

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  11. Good for you! One of my sisters used EC with her first and loved it, though it didn't go so perfectly with her second. Hopefully it will work well for you and I look forward to reading more posts about it.

    Josh thought it was a little crazy when I first talked to him about it, but then he watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQk74whCabE and was pretty much "anything sounds smarter when talked about with a British accent." I generally think that it's not cool to leave kids in dirty diapers for any longer than absolutely necessary anyway, so I'm not sure that it would really add all that much work.

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  12. This is so interesting. I've never done anything like it, but it makes alot of sense.

    I am a firm believer in changing my babies daiper right away, so they are used to being dry. So far all of my babies have been fully trained without punishment or pressure by the time they were 30 months (2 1/2), and so far that's worked just fine for us.

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  13. Elizabeth,

    I think you need to go back and retake the "crunchiness" quiz you blogged about a while back, they may need to revise the whole scoring system. I know Husband The Scientist isn't crazy about the term, but sometimes the birkenstocks just fit, you know? :)

    Peace, Brian

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  14. Mrs. 2nd Lieutenant was right, I do love EC! I love it because of the results- baby remains aware of their elimination needs which often leads to early independant potty use; and I love it because I think that in the end it is the lazy way of taking care of elimination, especially since we only do it part time. The way I see it is that I've got to attend to each elimination anyway, why not take care of it from the get go? So much easier to wipe a bottom that has not been sitting in waste.
    I used EC with my now 4 year old. I began with her when she was about 4 months old, as kind of an experiment. And was pleasantly surprised with how well it went. We were part time ECers which is to say that she wore diapers most of the time, and especially when we went out. If the diaper was dry we just put it back on. We were most sucessful with catching her poops. Or more accurately, she would poop when we put her on the potty. This left me much more willing ot use cloth diapers at least part time. She was totally independent at 18 months.
    My now two year old, has just become totally independent (hooray!), two weeks before his birthday. I started ECing him at a few days old, after all the mecomium had passed. He has always been a good pee-er and would go whenever I offered. But the poops were more elusive. So he spent most of his time in diapers. I would switch him to cloth after he had pooped. I was just feeling a bit discouraged about him taking a whole 6 months longer than his sister. But then he got a rash on his hip from his diaper tab that was stubbornly hanging around,and I had to let him go naked. Turned out to be exactly what we needed. He just started using the toilet without my prompting. If not for that rash he might still be elimination dependant today. : )
    I am currently involved interviewing parents of ECers for Larie Boucke. She is well known in the EC world and is one of the "pioneers" in popularizing EC in the USA. She wrote "Tickle Treat" and "Infant Potty Training". If you or any of your readers might be interested in joining the study you can contact her at: laurie@white-boucke.com. There is no compensation for participating. But it is very easy, just a 5 minute interview once a month. The babies must be younger than 20 weeks to join the study. Maybe I could interview you and talk to you in real life.
    Sorry for my (as usual) long comment. I do get excited.

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  15. jane, you're involved in an EC study?! girl, you must call me more often - i can't believe i'm reduced to comment convos :-p

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  16. I have not done EC, but I might try it if I could go back with my first baby again. With more than one child, I didn't think it would be manageable with my second baby or any subsequent babies. I love the concept of it, though! I also have had bad diaper rash issues (using cloth) with my kids as toddlers, so it would have been helpful.

    I do think that potty training would be easier having done EC from infancy, but I also think that you don't have to "potty train" a toddler, either. They will naturally pick it up as they get older and mature. We were very no-pressure, no active stressful "training," and the first was in underwear all day before age 3. The second was in underwear all day at about 2.5 and even overnight a few months later.

    I like any methods that work with the child's natural bodily functions and don't put pressure on them, bribe them, etc.

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